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| Ok lets assume that you live in a safe community and your dog can not get out. Is it ok to let your dog out to play unsupervised in your fenced in yard???? |
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| if the weather is nice all day if they like it |
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fostermom
Joined: 18 Feb 2004 Total posts: 8993 Location: NC Age: 46 Gender: Female |
 Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:58 pm
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| cgg wrote: | Pssst, reena ... not a very meaningful bet - you don't have pawprints any more. 
I now return you to your "it's not going anywhere" argument. |
Thanks, cgg! I just spit water all over my monitor! ROTFL!
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| reena |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:14 pm
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| Sarahq wrote: | | [IMO saying that dogs shouldnt be unattended is nothing like saying you shouldnt drive a car due to the risks. Yes, it is all a probability statement. Yes, we take risks in everything that we do, even in turning on a light switch. But, I am all about disaster preparedness and prevention. |
So we'll just agree to disagree.
| Quote: | | In fact, supervision is probably about the easiest way to keep your dog safe and keep them out of trouble - no training classes or expensive equipment required. Just a little bit of your time and maybe some inconvenience. |
I'm really not worried about it. And I don't have to pay for my training classes anymore. I'm a dog training instructor and I can take classes for free. Since both my dogs have been through the advanced obedience class 3 times I'm pretty much at a stand-still at this time.
| Quote: | | Well lets hope that you consider the risks at the dog park valid enought to supervise them there. |
I have EXTREMELY good control over my dogs at the dog park. My dogs have great recalls and I don't let them get farther than 30 feet away.
| Quote: | | Or maybe that is something else that isnt worth worrying about. Dog forbid that it require you to inconvenience yourself. |
Wow -- another personal attack. Why is it you see me as this lazy, uncaring dog owner? My dogs are extremely well taken care of, they are very safe, and I spend a lot of time with them. The time spent with them is cuddling, exercising, training and playing.
My dogs get a premium dog food. I don't board them in a kennel when I go away -- I pay a dog sitter to live in my house. They see a vet regularly -- as a matter of fact when my Chester was sick a month ago I spent $3,200 on him at the vet clinic, I visited him twice a day, and made sure I was with him when he was euthanized. So don't tell me that I don't care, and that my dogs are an inconvenience. You don't know me, and for you to presume that I don't worry about them is very offensive. |
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| kac |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 5:39 pm
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I agree Reena. My dogs are well cared for, they are not an "inconvience", but its frigid cold here in the winter, I work full time, so when I am home I have to cook, clean, pay bills, manage my household to the best of my ability. that doesnt leave me with exceptional amounts of time to hang outside with the dogs...so I should make them stay in? When they love it out there, and get let in whenever they want to be? this is how they get the majority of their "running room"...they cant be walked off leash, and I am mature enough to know that I would not trust Freebee in a dog park. she thinks she is queen dog, and wont hear otherwise....so how fair would it be to let Laurel run in a dog park, but keep Free back on a leash the whole time? In my opinion, no fair at all. so I let them run, play and
enjoy themselves in the yard during the day when I'm home,in the morning before I go to work, and in the evenings before the sun goes down. |
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| Sarahq |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:25 pm
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Reena - I dont consider anything I said to be anymore of an attack than infering that if I supervise my dogs outside I must be too paranoid to lead a normal life.
I am in the same boat as you - my dogs go lots of places with me. They go to the classes I assist, they go to the dog park, they are all well trained (if I do say so myself) One is even a certified therapy dog. However, people like you and I are the exception to the rule. I would bet that a dog like the OPs hasnt been to class, doesnt have a lot of variety in life. Escaping the yard is probably the funest part of her day. So while I understand your logic about sweeping generalizations, I will stand firmly behind the idea that this woman needs to make accomodations to get out and interact with her dog outside more. I would also say that this is true of most dogs that are escaping. They need more interaction. Their own yard should be an entertaining place for them. Supervision is a great way to accomplish this.
But we will have to agree to disagree. |
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| reena |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:08 pm
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| Sarahq wrote: | So while I understand your logic about sweeping generalizations, I will stand firmly behind the idea that this woman needs to make accomodations to get out and interact with her dog outside more. I would also say that this is true of most dogs that are escaping. They need more interaction. Their own yard should be an entertaining place for them. Supervision is a great way to accomplish this.
But we will have to agree to disagree. |
Darn you!! With that paragraph I DON'T think we DO disagree.
I disagree that every dog in this world needs to be supervised every second while outside in a safe fenced in back yard. If there aren't any problems I don't think that is the case. I don't believe that it's necessary for ME to stand in my yard while my dogs go potty or play for 20 minutes.
I DO agree that if a dog has a behavior problem and can't be trusted in a particular situation that other measures need to be taken -- either supervision, a better fence, etc. And Loving Army Wife came here looking for a solution to that very problem. Even she doesn't believe that her dog should be loose in a fenced area that she can escape. |
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| Darling |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:12 pm
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| I dont usually reply to anything like this but I felt as if I should put my two cents in. I have a 6 foot fence and have two very nice neighbors who themselfs have dogs as well, dogson both sides of the fences are wonderful with my dogs. I check my yard every single morning before I let them outside and make sure there is nothing they can get in to. I let my dogs outside by them selfs for as long as they like, they come and go as they please. People have doggy doors so while they are at work their dogs can go outside to potty instead of messing in the house. Why have a doogy door if your dog shouldnt be left outside? I my self am also a stay at home mother and while I spend tons of time with my dogs playing and giving attention INSIDE I dont feel that I should also have to do so while outside. They play with each other and run around and then come inside for my attention when they want it. If my daughter had the same condition as the OP's son then I would be the same way. I find this board very educational and a great site, I think some people take it too far. I was reading a thread the other day about what you would do if it came to your dog or family, or something along those lines, and just about all of you said your dog? I mean are you people crazy? You would honestly give up your husband, long time boyfriend, kids or anything other HUMAN family member for your dog? Attack me if you like, just voicing my oppion like everyone else. |
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| sabusmom |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:14 pm
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| I want to know in what thread did someone actually say they would give up their kids for their pets. |
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| Darling |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:20 pm
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| I dont remember if it said kids or not, didnt realized I typed that, guess I was just going through the list. But many many people said they would get rid of their husbands and other SO's. |
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| sabusmom |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:33 pm
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Well to some there are certain things that are a part of who they are. I am a major animal lover. I couldn't imagine my life without them. I would never get involved with someone who doesn't like animals. I would never be happy with someone like that.
To some their career is important to them. Some people get divorced when someone in the relationship demands that someone leaves the position they are in. If I married someone who claimed to love animals and then turned around and demanded I should get rid of my animals, that person is not the person I thought I married.
People split up for all sorts of reasons. I feel sorry for someone who finds out the person they married turned out to be an entirely different person they thought they were. Why stay married and be miserable? |
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| mequeenmum |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:35 pm
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| Okay - I just have to respond to the supposition that a dog that escapes the yard isn't getting enough quality attention, etc. While is some cases that could be the problem, it may not be in just as many! My Dude just likes to run on the other side of the fence and go visit! He also loves to be chased, thinking it is just another game. We have 6 dogs (all rescues) and they are awfully spoiled. They get more attention than a lot of kids do - in fact, we have some of those kids living with us temporarily (fosters, too), and they help play and care for our animals. As I said before, Dude has gotten out even while we are all out in the yard with him. Sometimes Buddy will squeeze out after him, and then sit on the other side and ask to be let back in the yard. I think we need to stop making generalizations when we don't know the facts. Why does someone's asking for help turn into all this sniping? |
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| loving_army_wife |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:27 pm
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| Quote: | | I would bet that a dog like the OPs hasnt been to class, doesnt have a lot of variety in life. Escaping the yard is probably the funest part of her day. So while I understand your logic about sweeping generalizations, I will stand firmly behind the idea that this woman needs to make accomodations to get out and interact with her dog outside more. |
How dare you say this about me!  You do not know me and you do not know what I do with my dogs!! It 's true that my husband is putting his life on line day after day to protect people like you and even your dogs and yet he doesn't make enough money to take our dogs to classes, but we do the best that we can!! I spend about 65 persent of my day interacting with my dogs and they do get to play with other dogs on the weekends when my husband isn't to tired to watch them in the yard with our neighbors dog and all their friends! If it isn't too cold our neighbor has a party where all his friends bring their dogs on the weekends!!! If we go to town for a short period of time the dogs come with us!! When we went on a week vacation we didn't take Meggy to a kennal or have someone come over a couple times a day to feed her and let her out, We packed her and her six puppys up and took them right along with us!!!!!! What is to say that the 2 times that she did get out she wasn't just wanting to play with another dog or she wasn't trying to get as far away from those sharp teethed puppies of hers!!! You have absolutly no right to juge me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And when did I ever say that as soon as the weather permits I won't spend most of my day playing fetch with the dogs and pushing my son on the swing!!!! You had NO right to say what you said and I did not right in and ask the question so I could be belittled by you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you say that you spent 65 persent of your day interacting with your dogs??????????????????????????????????????????????? |
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| Ilana Location: Central New Jersey Age: 28 Gender: Female |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:53 pm
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| Quote: | | When we went on a week vacation we didn't take Meggy to a kennal or have someone come over a couple times a day to feed her and let her out, We packed her and her six puppys up and took them right along with us!!!!!! |
You took one or two week old puppies out of the house and to a strange place to stay for a week? I'm glad nothing happened to them--for future reference...bad move! Puppies that young don't have the immune system to fight off viruses and other diseases they may encounter, nor do they have the necessary vaccinations. Puppies really should not go anywhere save for the vet or outdoors to potty until they are much older and have finished their puppy shots.
| Quote: | | but its frigid cold here in the winter, I work full time, so when I am home I have to cook, clean, pay bills, manage my household to the best of my ability. that doesnt leave me with exceptional amounts of time to hang outside with the dogs...so I should make them stay in? |
Ummm...yeah....
If it's that cold outside that you cannot be out there for any "long" period of time, what are they doing out there, anyway?
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| reena |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:10 pm
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| Ilana wrote: | Puppies really should not go anywhere save for the vet or outdoors to potty until they are much older and have finished their puppy shots.
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I really hope by that you mean their first round of puppy shots, and not the rabies shot at 4 months of age? Remember the socialization window closes at 16 weeks. Many puppy classes limit the age of eligibility to between 8 and 16 weeks specifically so that they can get the pups socialized. I'd hate to think that puppies aren't getting socialized because people aren't getting them off their property until they've had their rabies shots. |
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| Sarahq |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:14 pm
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Loving - I didnt realise that saying your dog is bored was such a personally offensive statement. Apparently that hit a nerve. Not my intention.
Its great that you spend so much time inside with your dog. Thats fabulous. And it probably makes being outside without you all the more dull. What would you rather do - sit outside by yourself or go visit the neighbor dog who is oh so willing to play ? It would be a pretty clear choice to me.
Chaining your dog up outside may work for the time being with keeping her contained. But until you can commit to spending more time with her outside, she is going to seek ways to entertain herself. If it isnt escaping it will be barking or digging. Something other than sitting board. Even dogs can only spend so much time just sitting and sniffing. |
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| Ilana Location: Central New Jersey Age: 28 Gender: Female |
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 10:14 pm
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Yup, that's what I mean...sorry if I wasn't clear enough...
by "much older", that is, of course relative to a week or two weeks old, which is the age I am assuming they were taken "on vacation"....
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