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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject:

I agree with nonames and js also. In my mind, there are several problems with breed specific legislation. One of them is indeed that if one breed is banned another breed will take its place. A man near me has two presas he uses as guard dogs in his guns and ammo shop. A guy I worked with at a vet has been there and said they are scary scary dogs. I think, while I'm sure they CAN be perfectly nice dogs, that they are a prime candidate for a replacement for pits with macho people, AND to be trained as guard dogs. I think, as I said in another forum, that if this kind of legislation is taken to it's logical conclusion, and any breed that has ever had a bite recorded is banned, we'll be left with somewhere in the area of, oh, 2 breeds. And if people are REALLY determined to have dangerous dogs around, all they have to do, even with say, a pug, is breed them bigger and bigger and with no regard for temperment. And maybe reward rough play. And what happens when dogs like this are bred and sold to irresponsible owners?
Instead of breed specific legislation, we need universal legislation with regard to breeding, leash laws, spay-neuter, etc., and we need it to be ENFORCED. On top of that there needs to be some serious, widespread education regarding breeding, training, handling, and living with dogs. But there's one other thing that I really feel the need to put out there. This may sound exremist, and don't get me wrong. I think it's tragic when people get hurt or killed by dogs (or anything else), and there are some dogs who for whatever reason are too aggressive to live within the general population. BUT... I think some people have lost sight of the fact that SOMETIMES dogs bite. It happens. It's a part of life. Just like sometimes cats and rats and snakes and monkeys and ducks bite, and horses bite or kick or throw people, and humans yell at or hit or shoot other people or DOGS. It's just that there are many more dogs who have much more contact with humans than most of these other animals. We do the best we can to deal with it and to alleviate the problem, but to ban a breed outright mainly because WE have destroyed it, or at least some of its constituents, and because we're at the top of the food chain so we can, is so incredibly human it makes me sick. I truly believe that most aggressive dogs are the product of irresponsible breeding, if not training or ownership, and that tackling those problems will be MUCH more effective than the reactionist bent legislation is beginning to lean towards. And yesm, those issues need to be addressed. Because while dogs do bite, there could be SO many less incidents then there are with a little EFFECTIVE education and legislation.

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:59 am Post subject:

***Update***

Management is putting out a letter to all the residents with very strong wording. Since my last post, I have (daily) witnessed a dog off the leash. Because I have give all the worst case scenarios to the management...
1. Loose dog could bite human
2. Loose dog could bite leashed dog
3. Loose dog could be bitten by leashed dog
4. apartment could get in trouble for not enforcing leash law
and so forth...
I think they understand that this is a bigger deal than they had surmised.

In their letter they reiterated the leash law, then their pet policy. They explained that there would be 2 warnings and a third would be removal of the dog from premisses within 48 hours. I believe this is sufficient. The fact that they are going to give warnings saves any unfortunate person who's dog might escape by accident on a rare occasion. The slip through the door, deal that some adolescent pups can pull from time to time. And the Third being the punishment to the irresponsible owners who totally disregard their pets safety or possibly the safety of other pets/people.

I have not seen the canary dog. However I have other dogs in various sizes off the leash, which is equally inappropriate.

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:01 am Post subject:

I have just skimmed all the posts, so forgive me if I repeat anything. I have a massive rottie. He is about 115lbs of pure muscle and bone. HE IS NEVER OFF HIS LEASH, NEVER! We encounter so many dogs off their leash when we walk through the neighborhood. And when they approach us, I am not nice to their owners. I don't use tact, I simply say....put your dog on a leash now, it's a law. Bootie is usually friendly, but why chance it? If he ends up hurting some off leash dog (that approaches us) I will bet my bottom dollar that some how I will end up taking blame because of his breed. I wish people would be more considerate and just follow the dam rules! The off leash subject is a very hot one for me!

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:05 pm Post subject:

I agree brielovesmrbootie! I am an owner of Great Danes and if one of my Dane bites, heck even play rough, I know my dogs will be blamed even if the other dog is off leash. Last year I almost had a fight between my very docile 160# Great Dane and 2 off leash dogs. The other dogs were jumping on his back and nipping at him. Thank goodness the owner showed up in time. I gave the owner a lession in proper dog handling, to put it nicely Smile

I havent seen those dogs out since, I guess Apollo and my talking scared him a little but probably more Apollo Smile

Another thing that makes me angry is children walking dogs. In the past 4 weeks I have encountered a child walking a chihuaua, golden retriever, and a boxer ( not the same child, 3 different kids) and I mean young like under the age of 5 years old. And then they have to walk up to my danes, who knows how there dog is, what would happen if her dog got too excited, she couldnt control it? I find it very irresponsible of parents to let their children walk dogs that are that age. I had a little girl last week walking a boxer ask me if she could pet my danes. I had to tell her no b/c I didnt want that dog near my dogs with her walking it. If her dog got aggressive, my Danes would react and in one bite would have killed that dog. I have had all 3 encounters in pet stores and I avoid any child walking a dog, but unfornuately Danes are not easy to hide Shocked

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:08 pm Post subject:

unfortunately I had an experience with that early spring...a child walking a dog. It was a medium sized mongrel and a 5 year old boy. I had my hubby's little 10 or so lb Scottie/--I have a Potty Mouth--/cockapoo (and some other fluffy little puff breed). Sheba was 14 and we were walking to the tennis courts so my girls and i could play. The mongrel saw sheba and took off and lunged. My reaction was horrible. I swung sheba up off the ground, party by the collar and was kicking at the dog and screaming at the boy and everyone else (standing around dumbfounded) to get the dog before I hurt it. The boy was scared so bad he might have messed his drawers. I feel bad for him, but it was just my first instinct to protect Sheba and in that second I was yelling at everyone. The ADULT owner should not have sent him outside with the dog. I think everyone figured out, after, that the little boy should not walk that dog. I don't believe the dog was a danger to humans, but he was dog aggressive and more than four times the weight of Sheba, at least. When I walk my dogs, my children walk with me, but it's my hands on the leash. I am just a paranoid prissy and have visions of them being caught off guard and loosing grip of the leash, or being suddenly pulled into traffic, or using poor judgement and approaching another dog walker..too many fears to name, really. To me it's just simple...Leash them and if they are snappy or skittish, muzzle them. I don't think the muzzles they have out now are in any way dog abuse, and it saves drama and law enforcement getting involved if some dummy runs up on the dog.

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:30 pm Post subject:

Hb1, just a suggestion but you might go back to the management company and suggest that since they've been advised by a tenant (you) of a potential problem with this dog and they have chosen to do nothing, they could be held liable for any possible injury or damages inflicted by this dog. I wouldn't want to see this dog "evicted" since he hasn't "acted up" yet but the owner should be told to have his dog on leash when outside.

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:40 pm Post subject:

Sorry for the previous post - I hadn't read the second page of messaages Embarassed

Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:44 pm Post subject:

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