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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:39 pm Post subject:

MrsOakes- Its quite okey. This was back in 2001, and Ive come to terms with it. Although it was sad and disturbing, it taught me a vaulable lesson on life.

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:22 pm Post subject:

I would suggest asking him to keep a leash on the dog and a hold of the leash, nicely. I have Great Danes and even though mine are well tempered who knows about other dogs and when outside, except to go potty, they are leashed. None of mine need leashes they are all verbally trained but I feel any pet owners responsibilty is too keep your dog's leashed. Most people are naturally afraid of large/giant breed dogs, which does get on my nerves sometimes when I have my Danes out but I can understand. I usually make a point to go up to that person, who is just standing there staring Smile

, and tell them that my dogs are friendly and they can pet them, this lets them see they are just big babies. My dogs are very well controlled and I have never had an issue where my dogs were walking me, its all in the training.

HB1, I would just be as nice as possible and dont say "well your dog is big and looks mean and ......" just say in coversation that you feel it would be best for him, his dog, and others that his dog be leashed when he is out of the apt b/c you never know what can happen. Tell him that another dog could get lose and jump on him and without being leashed, it could be a mess and even a legal mess.

Edited to say: A dog owner should NOT be judged by their age. I know it is easy to do but you just might have a responsible young person that knows more about animals then you do. I am only 25 years old. I know people judge me when they see this "little girl" with these huge dogs. The sad thing is though, my 160# dog is more controlled then there 10# poodle, that is what makes me laugh Laughing

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:32 am Post subject:

I'd be leary of that "owner." It is really irresponsible for him to let the dog off the leash (for any owner to let any dog be off the leash). He has no idea how that dog (or any dog) will react to another dog in the area. What if the dog caught sent of a female dog in heat? If the owner thinks he could hold him back he is just fooling himself. Because that breed (thru no fault of the breed but instead fault of stupid "man") was bred for dog fighting, it very well could have "issues" with other dogs. The owner appears to be somewhat clueless. If he can't control the dog, he should NOT have that dog. The dog knows who is boss between the two of them. Did you see the dog on the leash at all? I can't remember what you posted now, it's late. Anyway, that dog needs an owner who knows the breed and respects it. If he had the dog off the leash, I doubt he has any experience with that breed. They are fairly new to the US.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:45 am Post subject:

I have to agree with NoNames. Breed legislation could snowball into more breed legislation, etc...Perhaps there should just be neuter laws or special licensing or something, I dont' know.

I have seen them in DC a lot. They are very popular with certain groups/areas of DC as a status symbol (not dog fighting, though). They scare the pee out of me. The two I have seen were so dominant we had to leave the dog park, because my dumb Emily wasn't backing down. The male (unneutered, of course) was quite playful and he and Bailey were having a grand old time, much to my paralyzing fear, but the female presa was out of control dominant, and there is no way the woman who owned her was going to be able to control it.

The man threw a ball for the male presa and he caught it and kinda turned and bumped into me. It was a small bump, no where NEAR full force, and I thought my knees were going to snap backwards. Those things are pure muscle.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:28 am Post subject:

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:30 am Post subject:

I love Presas, and have the pleasure of knowing 2. I love all bully breeds......they do not inditimidate me, nor do I allow the media to cloud my judgement. Perhaps I am somewhat biased though, since I own a big bully breed dog (pit/boxer mix), and grew up with Mastiffs....both of which weighed over 200 lbs each.

Just from your posts, I dont see any reason to go to the management and complain about this specific dog, if that is what you are thinking about, unless you are just going to complain about unleashed dogs in general. No dog should be allowed off leash in an area that isnt designated for off leash dogs, but I dont think that the dogs should be judged just on their breed, that reeks of BSL, which I dont support in any way, on any level. I never judge a dog based on their breed.

I am guilty of judging owners just on their looks, however, but I know that I am being hypocritical. I am young, and I own a big bully breed, who could pull me around and make me play tug of war if she wished to, and occasionally she does. Does that mean I shouldnt have her? Or that I am uneducated? I promise, the last thing I am is uneducated when it comes to dogs.

I would hate for people to judge me or my husband the way you are judging this owner..........

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:07 am Post subject:

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 9:14 am Post subject:

Why do you assume that he did not have control? Or that he is clueless?

She said the dog is 1 1/2, neutered, and the owner said he is submissive with other dogs. When he saw her and her dog and they were looking at him, he had the dog back on leash.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:23 am Post subject:

GSRT, the op said "(and when he pulled the young man had a tug o war for a sec trying to pull the dog back) " about when he picked up the leash again. He shouldn't have a tug-of-war in a situation like that. She said he said something about him not being worried having the dog off the leash, that makes think he could be clueless. Sure he might think he "knows" this dog, but he can't know what that dog would do in a given situation where other dogs are being walked. This has nothing to do with the breed or the age of an owner. This has to do with a massive dog that was off the leash, then played tug-of-war with its owner.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:50 am Post subject:

It surprises me to see so many people talking about this unabashed fear of presa canarios... especially when there's been so much said AGAINST banning "pit bulls" or discriminating against "pit bulls".

Should you be scared of these dogs? No.

Should you be scared of these dogs if their owner is being irresponsible? Yes.

You should be scared of ANY dog who's owner is being irresponsible. Personally speaking, I'm not afraid of big dogs AT ALL... but small dogs make me very, very leery. It's irrational, but I've been bit a few times by small dogs and the fear stands.

Having said all this, the guy might be nice, he might mean well, he might know a lot about presa canarios...

What he obviously DOESN'T know is that he should have his dog leashed whenever he isn't either a) in his home or b) in his well-enclosed yard or c) in a designated dog park. Doesn't matter the dogs size.

I always hate it when people talk about "but that dog can kill people!", trying to justify why it's ok for a small dog to be off leash while a big dog shouldn't be.

Small dog goes running down the street... suprises pedestrian... pedestrian takes tumble into street = hit by car.

Not so far fetched of a scenerio.

In any case, I digress.

I've done a lot of reading on this case, and thought I'd offer up a rather excellent website about the specifics of it and the legal case that followed. The following website was put together by Richard H. Polsky, Ph.D., CAAB, a dog behaviourist brought in to research and testify in this case.

http://www.sanfranciscodogmauling.com

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject:

I think it is a tad irrrational to fearful at this point. Cautious, yes, but fearful no. The dog was not behaving in an aggressive manner. I would certainly address the issue of the dog being on leash with the owner attached to the other end, but I wouldn't make it about the dog breed.
ANY dog of ANY size has the potential to be aggressive, attack, or bite. ANY dog. To think otherwise is setting yourself up for problems down the road. I'd address your concerns with the owner, then with management if he doesn't seem to comply.

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:17 am Post subject:

NiteSiberianChow, I want to make sure you understand that I'm on the same wavelength as you on this Presa issue. You wrote on some of what I said. I totally agree with you on ANY dog on those issues. I said "It is really irresponsible for him to let the dog off the leash (for any owner to let any dog be off the leash). He has no idea how that dog (or any dog) will react to another dog in the area. " (Sorry I don't know how to quote like you did.) So I just wanted to point out that I specified ANY dog earlier in my post. I said massive for his dog because it is massive. If it were a little lightweight dog, I would have said that. It doesn't matter what size, breed, sex, etc. It matters that dogs in public areas need to be leashed with the owner in control so everything with everybody is ok.

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject:

I AM sorry, but everyone is missing the point...IF THERE ARE LEASH LAWS IN YOUR AREA THE DOG NEEDS TO BE LEASHED! Can I say that LOUD enough?

I dont care WHAT kind of dog it is..Presa Canario, Pit Bull, Wolfhound, doesnt matter. DOG NEEDS TO BE LEASHED. I dont care HOW well he thinks its trained. Dogs react differently from one dog/human to another. You have a case to complain. NO ONE should be letting unleashed dogs loose unless they own 40 fenced ACRES.

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:37 am Post subject:

Well, you guys....I don't mean to start topics that create controversy. But I do appreciate all the different view points. Some of you have helped advance my enlightenment. It's hard tho, I guess I am kind of prejudges in certain areas (not racial...obviously...but my breed/youth could probably use an overhauling) I don't try to be. I don't really want to be. But having certain dog owners in this area reinforce all the negative about certain dogs breeds, really doesn't help my Plight towards enlightenment, either.
Management knows that too many dog owners in this community aren't seeing the "Big Picture" about letting their dog off the leash. I"ve asked them to send a special flyer out across the board. There are tiny dogs and big dogs who are let off the leash for short distances...and only heaven knows WHY!
I have to admit that my alarm was due to the first description I read (at the owners request) of the breed. When it stated that it's not a dog for the first time dog owner in conjuntion with it being a dangerous breed in the wrong hands and what it was breed for, well, it scared the bejebies out of me. I do believe that this guy loves his dog and wants to do the best by it. He is just not seeing the big picture as I've stated above. I think he might be a little Nieve as well, since he bred this dog to a pitt bull. We have a horrible horrible fighting ring the next city over.
I appreciate everyone who replied with patience as well as information to help me and those like me. To those who loose patience with posts like these, all I can say is....I can only imagine how frustrating it must be, but education is everyones best tool...people can learn Smile

I hope everyone had a Happy Thanksgiving (who celebrate this) and Thanks everyone Smile

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