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lanhimom
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 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:51 pm
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| I think this is a lost cause. I am not going to waste my time or raise my blood pressure. I'm just glad this person has not come to our rescue wanting to adopt a dog that I have held while they cried at night. |
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| 293581 Joined: 08 May 2012 Total posts: 29 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:54 pm
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| hopers1 wrote: | | I expect people to work w/ a Rescue or shelter that fits their needs. I do not expect someone to go to a breeder and continue the killing. |
Here's the thing...people don't have to work with a rescue if they choose not to do so...and clearly you people choose not to work with them. So it all works out great in the end, right?
Posted Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:22 pm:
| allkreatures wrote: | | 293581 wrote: | Nobody else knows what it's like to sit up all night with a dog. Nobody else knows what it's like to want the best. Nope.
You all have cornered the market on that.
Nobody else is as smart as you when it comes to making a decision.
Hold your policies...but know that more could have gone through the process and been placed in good homes if the policies weren't so . And those that missed out...they're there because of these policies.
If you want people to come to you, you need to give them what they want. If you choose not to do that, then don't be surprised or annoyed when they go elsewhere. |
yeah yeah yeah.... again you are personalizing all this. someone told you NO and it P issed you off,lol, along with possibly more going out,---with unchecked homes and refrences---more can also be abused, more can also be returned,more hoarders can grab our dogs, more can also be resold and on and on, THATS statistics, and THATS what we are not willing to compromise. what you are basically saying is to relax our methods and oh if a few get abused, dumped,re sold or tied out as lawn ornaments thats ok, cause 2 out of 5 more might have a good home.----as for that abused one we let get by because we relaxed our standards? we're just ok with animal cowering in fear possibly getting killed because we caved into what ummm--"people" want.
and tell me please what makes you an expert on human psychology? how in gods name do YOU know what "people" want? do you consider yourself some kind of expert on people? how did you come to that conclusion? by just being human--oh, ok so that makes you a "people" expert wow you are a bitter person, very angry and assuming, see? I am a "people" expert too! |
No. I haven't personalized anything. I commented on a thread that was already going and I agreed with other posters. If you notice the title of the thread, it isn't exactly a "rescuers" thread. And I was speaking in general terms of rescuers overall. You people made it personal by assuming things you don't know and trying to fixate on my situation.
I have never applied to a rescue. I read their policies and documents first. When I don't like them, I don't bother proceeding. See? I get that freedom of choice issue. They choose not to offer options and I choose not to use their business.
Sorry but "more" isn't statistics.  Produce the data. Back up your claims with facts and numbers from a study.
You people are the ones getting excited. You got your britches in an uproar because some people posted their dislike of your practices. Instead of ignoring the thread, you had an uncontrollable need to tell other people that they have to do it your way. I'm telling you they don't, and when you limit your field, you limit your adoptions. (You also limit your money from donations...but that's another issue.)
If you don't want to consider the info...don't. That's your choice. But if you aren't offering what people want, you really shouldn't complain when people go elsewhere. You can't have it both ways.
To answer your question...I'm educated and have common sense...that you don't seem to have. Here, I'll make it simple for you...
Do you shop at stores you don't like or those you do like? It's a simple question. Do you patronize places that make it painful and unpleasant for you or places that make it pleasant? Do you support entities with policies you like or those you don't? You may also want to do marketing research.
Posted Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:31 pm:
| Buter&Lola wrote: | But Hopers, she has fostered in the past and still donates. That means she can go to a breeder and be guilt free. Those two things counter balance the death of dogs. Or didn't you read the ENTIRE thread. You know, the one we have read a hundred times before.
| hopers1 wrote: | | I expect people to work w/ a Rescue or shelter that fits their needs. I do not expect someone to go to a breeder and continue the killing. |
456789921299, or whatever your screen name is, you make it sound like these rescues are hunting you down and forcing you to adopt from them. Life is short, get over it and move on! |
Donating has nothing to do with it. I can go anywhere I choose. There is no correlation or connection between those two items.
Show me where I said that rescues are hunting me down and forcing me to adopt.
You all are the ones that can't get over it. You joined a thread that wasn't really meant for you.
You can't stand that people don't think you are the greatest gift to the world and won't cower to your demands. Remember, you are the ones telling people not to go anywhere else and they have to submit to your demands. I'm the one saying that people can and will go elsewhere.
Posted Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:35 pm:
| hopers1 wrote: | Ha! Love it! The popcorn emoticon, haven't seen it in years!!
Buter, you are right... I suppose if you put your time in fostering and donating that gives you the right to buy from a breeder. Shoot, think of all the dogs I could have bought by now!! No thanks.
Ya know, I thought about this thread on my way home and I think the thing that "the number person" is not thinking of is the dogs/cats or whatever is being adopted. Sure, you may have a good home, but it may not be the perfect home for MY foster. I turned a gal away from adopting Lucky over a year ago because she was looking (specifically) for a companion for her older Aussie. Lucky wouldn't have been that dog. Although he doesn't mind big dogs, he does not buddy up w/ them. Lucky prefers his person (me). He would have disappointed her. Although I am sure after doing a reference check/Vet check on this gal before I even called her back she would be a good home for another dog ( I think once the home visit was completed). But Lucky would NOT have been a good match. Does that make me controlling or rather putting the dog first??? |
Nobody needs to donate to buy. There is no connection even though you are trying to make one. Those are two independent issues.
Posted Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:53 pm:
| lanhimom wrote: | | I think this is a lost cause. I am not going to waste my time or raise my blood pressure. I'm just glad this person has not come to our rescue wanting to adopt a dog that I have held while they cried at night. |
That's funny because you would absolutely give me a dog if you didn't know the connection here because I am one of those ultimate dog parents! You would not only want to give me the dog, you would be excited for your dog to have a life with me.  |
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:26 am
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| I'm really surprised you guys have all been dragged into playing under the bridge. |
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| allkreatures Joined: 27 Mar 2004 Total posts: 1212 |
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:07 am
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ahhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ~~ **whew** theres nothing backing up you're stats either, and there are quite a few of your posts. once again, they are just you being general
I asked you how you know what "people" all want??
GETTING statistics would mean putting the dogs in danger for a long length of time. we are NOT willing to do that!
we said you "acted" as tho someone is forcing you to choose rescue, not that we ARE doing so. who's not reading the entire thread now?
yes you can choose not to work with rescue. but thank goodness YOU, even tho you think so very highly of yourself,are not the majority. the people who do decide to adopt are usually fine with our conditions and understand why we do it, to re home as safely as possible.period. if you feel violated by it(for others?) then again, I see paranoia.
understanding seems to be something you're lacking. again, reading between the lines you come off as as bitter not a person just having a discussion, no one goes to bat this way just to get an opinion across, its usually because they have been burned themselves by the very subject they are "discussing". sorry, your excuses and reasons for posting just arent cutting it.
no one. NOT ONCE! said you "have to do it our way" we ASK adopters to do it our way and as you said, you do not have to make that choice. it was then YOU who went on about stats and reasons and people, and etc..etc....we tried to explain why we do as we do and you tried very hard to contradict all that reasoning--putting words in everyones mouth by making statements such as --no one has the ability to...---no one can give a good home unless we say so--- and many many others.
NONE of which I saw even ONE rescuer post. these came out of YOUR head. the biggest problem you seem to have is with rescuers egos. I'll skip that one its not even worth analyzing. when you give me your studied stats on "people" not wanting to use rescues then we can discuss this further. believe me we get one or 2 of you every year in rescue as opposed to all the animals we adopt out under conditions we hope, are as safe as we can make them for the animals.
I am an animal advocate. I do not do this for you. I am friendly and explain what and why to every potential adopter in 10 years I have had ONLY 3 people. say they did not want to adopt because of rules. those are MY STATS sweety, you can believe them or not.
I have made friends of adopters, kept in contact with many and received lovely follow ups from others, thats enough for me. I don't patronize anything i don't like. you're right. I also don't follow it up with a dozen posts and reasons why i don't choose to.sorry, your posts all smell of someone pouting with a vendetta. you're not hiding it well. you aren't the only educated person.
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lanhimom
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:47 pm
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| lanhimom wrote: | | I think this is a lost cause. I am not going to waste my time or raise my blood pressure. I'm just glad this person has not come to our rescue wanting to adopt a dog that I have held while they cried at night. |
That's funny because you would absolutely give me a dog if you didn't know the connection here because I am one of those ultimate dog parents! You would not only want to give me the dog, you would be excited for your dog to have a life with me. |
Actually, no we wouldn't. You wouldn't be able to keep from revealing yourself as the know-it-all blowhard you obviously are. At some point when we are talking about a specific dog, a red flag would go up telling us how unbending you are and we would fear what would happen when a dog doesn't fit the mold you have created. I have a couple "forevers" from people like that.
Sorry, cgg! |
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 2:00 pm
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| Cgg, It all started when someone jumped off the bridge. You know how it goes, others followed.... |
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:35 pm
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| lanhimom wrote: | | 293581 wrote: |
| lanhimom wrote: | | I think this is a lost cause. I am not going to waste my time or raise my blood pressure. I'm just glad this person has not come to our rescue wanting to adopt a dog that I have held while they cried at night. |
That's funny because you would absolutely give me a dog if you didn't know the connection here because I am one of those ultimate dog parents! You would not only want to give me the dog, you would be excited for your dog to have a life with me. |
Actually, no we wouldn't. You wouldn't be able to keep from revealing yourself as the know-it-all blowhard you obviously are. At some point when we are talking about a specific dog, a red flag would go up telling us how unbending you are and we would fear what would happen when a dog doesn't fit the mold you have created. I have a couple "forevers" from people like that.
Sorry, cgg! |
That's funny!
If you weren't a vindictive power-monger and/or could resist your urge to be one, you absolutely would give me a dog because I have everything you people claim you are looking for in a dog owner. But yeah, if you knew I could see you keeping the dog from a great home with all of the things you claim you want. Yeah, I see that you would cheat/punish the dog just to be vindictive.
This just further shows my point. You people are so deep in your power and control and rules that you don't take time to think. I'm going to guess that you believe you are "open-minded" and "tolerant" and "caring" and so on... You are "open-minded," "tolerant" and "caring" as long as people agree with you and your power and control. |
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lanhimom
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:55 pm
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| Wouldn't happen. Don't you get it yet? You have to show us you have everything we are looking for. You aren't wiling to do that. And is any of this helping you? I doubt it. You are just a mean idiot who thinks since we don't know you that we don't know each other either. We are all on another forum laughing our asses off at you! Ta-ta! |
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:00 pm
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| keltoicrone wrote: | Statistics and probability? Actually, I teach them so yes, I do have some experience. You have left a few possibilities out here so allow me to show you the fault in your logic.
You say we need to choose between some pretty good/darn good/great/really great homes and fewer just greats and really greats, correct? Your assumption is that if we rate homes from 1-10 with 1 being the least desirable and 10 being the most desirable that most homes will be in the 7-10 range. Believe me when I say that there is not a rescuer out there who doesn't wish that were true. Sadly, there are many homes that would fall in the 1-4 range. Statistically, more homes will end up in the 1-4 range than in the 7-10 range. If that statement were not true there would not be the need for so many rescues. So our choice is not between a "pretty good" home and a "great" one - it's more likely to be between a "barely passable" home and a "I wouldn't trust you with a pet rock" home. That's what a home visit - or any of the other rescue requirements - is meant to avoid. We only want the 7-10 range homes. |
I was reading back through the thread and I noticed that I had missed a few posts. My bad.
First..."I wouldn't trust you with a pet rock" home." That was funny.
Next...my point was that since the rescuers' posts were indicating they wanted great homes, more could be placed if they allowed more good and pretty good...or even reasonably good.
But how do you know that more "will end up in 1-4 range"? What data do you have? I challenge that assertion. If we're talking about the chances of rolling a 1 on a die...there is a one out of 6 chance. It is what it is.
I also noticed a post that at least one person would rather euthanize than have some get a lower rated home.
And for the record...no matter how much you all seem to believe that I am advocating bad homes, I'm not. I just think that more having good enough is better than fewer having great. |
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lanhimom
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:11 pm
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| You know what? I've been wrong before. Pull am application from ANY rescue and fill it out of course leaving the names out of it and post it. Let's see what most of us say. Do you dare? |
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:11 pm
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| keltoicrone wrote: | I know you didn't "start it" but I'll tell you what I told my children when they were little & used that line. It doesn't matter who started it. I am currently addressing you behavior and who started it is irrelevant. Furthermore, since anyone can create a screen name there is really no way of knowing who started it. For all I know your BFF started it and you chimed in to support them.
I am not contradicting myself. I am telling you simply - you can address an issue with an individual group. You obviously feel you are correct and any group wanting a home visit is wrong. Feel free to make your case with actual facts & logic, real names, etc. However, the rescue made their policies based on real world situations. They didn't sit down one day & say - what can we do to make the rescue process painful to the potential adopters. That means they are not likely to change but you can try.
Sweetie - I comprehend everything. You don't like rescue policies for some reason. You think a home visit is so we can decide if you are cool enough to sit at our lunch table and you know you are way cooler than us so you are not going to play our games. Fine. We got it.
A bit of life advice here - there are lots of "professionals" out there in lots of professions. If they were all trustworthy because they had that nice professional designation we would never have a medical malpractice lawsuit, never have a legal malpractice lawsuit, never have a bad dental experience . . . . . Not all "professionals" are created equal. |
You confused 2 different concepts. This thread was started...more than a year ago...as a discussion about the ills of rescues. I joined in that discussion on that topic.
Gee, if you hadn't told me, I wouldn't have known that I could address an issue with a group. See? You think that other people don't know these things so you have to tell them.
No, I don't think they sat down and thought about it like that. But it's still the end result.
You clearly don't comprehend everything because I have told you why I don't like the policies, but you still don't understand the reason.
Boy, sure glad you gave me that life lesson. See how you look down on people?
Posted Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:35 pm:
| cgg wrote: | | I'm really surprised you guys have all been dragged into playing under the bridge. |
Nobody dragged them.
Posted Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:42 pm:
| lanhimom wrote: | | Wouldn't happen. Don't you get it yet? You have to show us you have everything we are looking for. You aren't wiling to do that. And is any of this helping you? I doubt it. You are just a mean idiot who thinks since we don't know you that we don't know each other either. We are all on another forum laughing our asses off at you! Ta-ta! |
Yeah...you know what I think. Uh-huh. So you are on another forum.
I believe that I have already stated that I knew you were vindictive.
Maybe I should invite you all to my other forums...but you must be able to write in complete sentences, have good grammer and post logical thoughts. ohhhh....maybe not. (See? I can do it too!)
Posted Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:50 pm:
| lanhimom wrote: | | You know what? I've been wrong before. Pull am application from ANY rescue and fill it out of course leaving the names out of it and post it. Let's see what most of us say. Do you dare? |
Your "clever" little trick makes no sense. Let's review...because apparently you haven't grasped this point. I have stated that I wouldn't apply because I don't like the intrusive documents and procedures. So what in any logical sense makes you think that I would give you information for no reason?
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:51 pm
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I guess what I would like a definition of is GOOD ENOUGH. What in your mind is good enough vs great??
You really need to stop saying that we are controlling, that really bugs me. I am not a controlling person, nor are the people I know here. We are the ones that pick up the messes, worry all night long about a dog we don't know, spend our OWN money on dogs that aren't ours, and shed many tears when one is lost. As I stated before... you won't get it until you LIVE it. Right now, I am surrounded by 4 fosters (amongst my own dogs) that I adore. I would never think "good enough" for any one of them.
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:42 pm
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Oh boy! I am sorry I even read this thread. I guess southern California rescue are different from the midwest. For example - our adoption fees are only $110 at our rescue and the minimum it costs us to vet the dog is $280. Puppies are more and we charge less if they are under 4 months. And yes, we require that the vetting be done at our vet so we can make sure the dog is fully vetted. This includes spay/neuter, micro chip, all shots, heartworm test and the animal is current on monthly heartworm and flea meds.
No we don't pass on the costs if the dog has required extensive tests, surgeries or meds. We do ask if monthly meds will be a problem for special needs animals. Or if certain animals need special diets.
Yes we do home visits but don't require fenced in yards unless the dog in question requires a fenced in yard. We DO verify with landlords if their tenants are allowed pets. We do vet checks.
We have adopted to people I don't particularly care for but felt they were great for the animal in question.
Some of the practices we follow because state law requires us to follow them. Other practices we follow because "good" rescue mandates those practices.
And yes sometimes I miss a typo. Sometimes I am grammatically incorrect because it's easier when typing. This is a problem for me since I was sick a few years back. I am lucky in that my new limitations do not hamper my ability to care for or foster dogs except for cutting of the nails. I have to make frequent visits to the techs at the vet's office for this. I also don't foster as many bottle kittens as I used to just because. If I had to though I would still get up every three hours with 9 to 12 kittens. It just means I am more exhausted. And my fridge would be full of more bottles since I couldn't see to mix the formulas at night. It also means that I would have to wake my husband for night e-vet visits since my night driving abilities are gone or very nearly. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:51 pm
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| allkreatures wrote: | ahhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ~~ **whew** theres nothing backing up you're stats either, and there are quite a few of your posts. once again, they are just you being general
I asked you how you know what "people" all want??
GETTING statistics would mean putting the dogs in danger for a long length of time. we are NOT willing to do that!
we said you "acted" as tho someone is forcing you to choose rescue, not that we ARE doing so. who's not reading the entire thread now?
yes you can choose not to work with rescue. but thank goodness YOU, even tho you think so very highly of yourself,are not the majority. the people who do decide to adopt are usually fine with our conditions and understand why we do it, to re home as safely as possible.period. if you feel violated by it(for others?) then again, I see paranoia.
understanding seems to be something you're lacking. again, reading between the lines you come off as as bitter not a person just having a discussion, no one goes to bat this way just to get an opinion across, its usually because they have been burned themselves by the very subject they are "discussing". sorry, your excuses and reasons for posting just arent cutting it.
no one. NOT ONCE! said you "have to do it our way" we ASK adopters to do it our way and as you said, you do not have to make that choice. it was then YOU who went on about stats and reasons and people, and etc..etc....we tried to explain why we do as we do and you tried very hard to contradict all that reasoning--putting words in everyones mouth by making statements such as --no one has the ability to...---no one can give a good home unless we say so--- and many many others.
NONE of which I saw even ONE rescuer post. these came out of YOUR head. the biggest problem you seem to have is with rescuers egos. I'll skip that one its not even worth analyzing. when you give me your studied stats on "people" not wanting to use rescues then we can discuss this further. believe me we get one or 2 of you every year in rescue as opposed to all the animals we adopt out under conditions we hope, are as safe as we can make them for the animals.
I am an animal advocate. I do not do this for you. I am friendly and explain what and why to every potential adopter in 10 years I have had ONLY 3 people. say they did not want to adopt because of rules. those are MY STATS sweety, you can believe them or not.
I have made friends of adopters, kept in contact with many and received lovely follow ups from others, thats enough for me. I don't patronize anything i don't like. you're right. I also don't follow it up with a dozen posts and reasons why i don't choose to.sorry, your posts all smell of someone pouting with a vendetta. you're not hiding it well. you aren't the only educated person.
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Uuuuhhhh…yeah. Clearly you're an educated person…clearly.
(This responds to your post paragraph by paragraph respectively.)
Where did I say “all people” or “people all want”? You acknowledged that you knew I was speaking in general terms, then you tried to change it into me saying all people. Which is it? You can’t have it both ways. That suggests you are looking for any response vs. providing clear, well-reasoned responses.
I answered your question. I guess you didn't get that, so I'll explain further. What you do isn't a business in the traditional sense but the basics are the same. You have something to offer to people. You want people to come to you for what you have to offer. You don't want them to go to the competitor. The basic principles of business and marketing apply.
I have no idea what you were talking about or what you meant when you stated, "GETTING statistics would mean putting the dogs in danger for a long length of time. we are NOT willing to do that!" (sic) Please clarify.
How do you know how many people would have come to you but instead choose other options? If they don’t come to you, how do you know how many there are?
I read the thread, and I know what I wrote. I don't see where I am acting in a post. Where did I "act" like rescues were forcing me? Please be specific. If I didn't say something, you can't attribute it to me. If you are interpreting or reading into something…or more likely just making it up, that is on you, not me.
I understand far more about you than you realize. I’ll say it again…you don’t take the time to think.
You complain (and then some) about my use of, "people" and what they want (my general references to business and marketing), yet...notice how you assert knowledge about people when you say..."no one goes to bat this way just to get an opinion across, its usually because they have been burned themselves by the very subject they are 'discussing'." (sic) Do you see any contradiction or anything there? Here, I'll be you... How do you know? How do you know that no one goes to bat that way? How do you know that it's because they've been burned?
I provided marketing principles. What's your foundation?
Whatever it is, you're wrong. The little group here went off, so I responded. That’s it. I tried to explain something to you up there on your high horses….and it was kinda fun.
You people post and then complain when I reply. You try to take both sides of the coin on many of your “arguments.” My posts are long because I actually take the time to respond to what you write.
Perhaps you aren’t able to make the connection. We have been discussing adopting dogs and the rescues’ policies and procedures. Since you all are arguing those hold firm or no dog, that would imply that people must do it your way.
You determine that I’m “acting” like rescues are “forcing me”…but you accuse me of “putting words in everyones mouth (sic)…” You people are saying that unless a person is a rescuer they don’t know. You people are saying you are the only ones who can decide or judge. That’s what you are saying.
You have a math error or a communication error…if you get 1 or 2 per year for 10 years…that’s not 3. That’s not a math calculation by an educated person. Though it could explain a lot.
It’s great that you make friends and like what you do. Excellent! More power to you!
You seem to be making an attempt to diagnose my posts…or something…bless your little heart for trying.
So you don’t patronize anything you don’t like, and you don’t follow it up with a dozen posts why you don’t choose to (sic)… and something about a vendetta. Are you trying to say that I’m patronizing something I don’t like? That would be wrong. I like this. This isn’t a rescue…it’s a forum with a thread topic discussing the ills of rescues. Or at least that’s what it’s supposed to be. But you people can’t stand for others to do that.
On the other hand, you keep posting to me…so maybe you have a vendetta? You also keep “diagnosing” and making up stuff, but you question that I cite marketing principles. At best you have double standards though it is more likely that you are “confused.”
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| hopers1 wrote: | I guess what I would like a definition of is GOOD ENOUGH. What in your mind is good enough vs great??
You really need to stop saying that we are controlling, that really bugs me. I am not a controlling person, nor are the people I know here. We are the ones that pick up the messes, worry all night long about a dog we don't know, spend our OWN money on dogs that aren't ours, and shed many tears when one is lost. As I stated before... you won't get it until you LIVE it. Right now, I am surrounded by 4 fosters (amongst my own dogs) that I adore. I would never think "good enough" for any one of them. |
You define it. Some here were saying they only wanted great...or something along those lines. So I suggested that adding in the goods and good enoughs would get more homes for them.
But you people are controlling...very controlling and you don't realize it...and you won't even look at yourselves that it is a possibility...nothing.
When I suggested the vets would know their patients...I didn't see responses that suggested being open-minded to that...or at least open to some not even when I suggested that we had a 20 year relationship with our vet. I saw responses attacking how vets couldn't be trusted, they wouldn't know, how professionals this or that...and so on. That shows controlling behavior...not being open to others knowing/having the capability.
No one suggested things...with an open mind. Everything was an absolute wall defense that that is the only way and only you all can decide.
You all have decided that I wouldn't be a good owner and you wouldn't give me a dog...you have no idea how funny that is! That is controlling. You don't know what I can and do offer dogs...but you have already decided that because you are so fixated on that defense...the rules...that "pit bull" stance to your rules that it seriously appears that you forget about the dogs in that process. It's like you get caught up in it....and it is controlling. I don't really know if you realize it or not. |
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lanhimom
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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:08 pm
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How many people here hate the term "you people"?
Posted Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:09 pm:
How many people are tired of seeing "you people"?
Posted Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:09 pm:
Posted Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:11 pm:
How many people remember when the Ellen crazies posted?
Posted Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:11 pm:
This too shall pass...... |
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