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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject:

That's why as a fat person, I know my right to a Big Mac will not be taken from me. Unless I inadvertantly sit on someone, my weight is not harmful to others.

OK, that's theoretically untrue when we take into consideration the rising cost of health care that affects everyone, which is being blamed on obesity. So yes, I guess banning my Big Mac would be the next step.

As a non-smoker, married to an asthmatic who is severely allergic to cigarette smoke, I was extremely happy when the Toledo smoking bans went into effect. My school has banned smoking from everywhere except 2 shelters and in your own car - no more smoking outside the doorways. It's nice, it really is.

I'm glad there are those smokers who do not smoke around their kids. Kids have no choice in the matter, I'm glad there are smokers who recognize that face.

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject:

I'm totally for it! Even though I'm a smoker myself (I'm ashamed to say), second hand smoke is a public health risk. There has been an evolution in the restriction of smoking, and I think its all for the good. First it was banned from public transport (planes, trains and buses), then from restaurants, bars and public buildings. Non-smokers banned it from their homes, and in the homes of smokers with children, the smokers have opted to puff outside. Then (around here at least) it has been banned from patios adjoining restaurants, bars and public areas.

I support all these measures, and banning smoking in cars with children is the logical next step, IMO.

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject:

It's weird. I'm 29 now and growing up. I remember my grandmother and aunts and uncles all sitting around the table smoking. In the house. With kids there. That probably stopped when I was about 10. Now as a smoker myself, I'd never even think to light up a cigarette inside. It STINKS! lol. I'm kind of a weird smoker I guess. But definitely never smoke near my kids. Even in restaurants that allowed smoking, I'd never smoke because I think it's rude. If I as a smoker think it reeks, I can imagine how the non smokers must feel. I don't think it's fair that people should have to smell our second hand smoke. JMHO

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject:

I agree. I think that's a big ole can of worms that our society is not ready to cope with opening.

How 'bout banning pregnant women from eating McDonalds, Burger King, pickles and ice cream because of the effects of poor nutritional choices on their unborn child? Talk about a public health risk.. that one single poor choice impacts everything from healthcare to education costs for the life of that child.

Personally, I don't believe you can legislate morals or ethics, and you certainly can't enforce them. It's been tried and failed so many times, you'd think people would catch on.

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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject:

This is a discussion that is really hot here in MN right now, as a statewide smoking ban just went into effect Oct 1.

I am neither for or against it. I'm a non-smoker, my SO is a smoker. He doesn't smoke in the house, in public buildings, or in front of my mother! He smokes in his car, my truck when my daughter isn't there, or at my friend's house who also smokes. My sister smokes in her truck with my neice, makes me crazy, and she knows it but doesn't stop.

In having these converstations, one theme keeps going through my mind. Anyone remember the Sylvester Stallone movie "Demolition Man."

"You are fined one credit for violating..." They had banned everything not good for you, smoking, salt, milk, meat, and all restaurants were Taco Bell!

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject:

Hey, I could go for all restaurants being Taco Bell. I love that stuff!

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:39 pm Post subject:

It must have been about 10 or 12 years ago now, when SC passed a law based on the brilliant idea that consuming alcohol during pregnancy was child abuse/endangerment.

They arrested several women on charges of child endangerment and put them in a jail cell until the baby was born. As "inmates" they were required to have their pre-natal care provided by the prison/jail system, not by their doctors of choice. When they went into labor, they were transferred to the hospital in the bright orange jumpsuit and shackles, following the exact same procedure as any other "sick prisoner." THeir rooms had armed police guards outside the door. Their visitors were restricted. The whole procedure for hospitalized prisoners.

The women that had the means to fight back still ended up having their babies while they were incarcerated, because the court systems were overloaded and their trial dates inevitably fell after their due dates. The rest of the women - well, that was a whole topic in itself of targetting low income women, receiving welfare benefits.

It seems sensible to make such laws to protect children from everything bad, it can and has been taken to extremes that violate more rights than it protects. Until our society comes to a point that we can cope effectively with all of the consequences of our actions as a whole, I think we should tread lightly when deciding to legislate these "right" and "wrong" things.

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:15 am Post subject:

Who would want to smoke in a house or car with children in there?

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:51 am Post subject:

That's what I would like to know but too many people do. There are all sorts of laws we have to protect children from adults. For instance it's against the law to allow your child to be in your vehicle without the proper restraint. How is this any different? No one is telling people they can't smoke in their cars, just don't do it with your kids in the car.

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:34 am Post subject:

i dont smoke.
i dont think its good to smoke in the car or house with people/kids/animals who dont smoke, cause they are innocent and it isnt fair to them.
however i chose "no" because it seems as though with each of these little rules that are to better us, we lose that much more of our "freedom"

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject:

You don't have the freedom to hurt your child.

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