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job's mom Joined: 17 Sep 2011 Total posts: 124 Gender: Unknown |
 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:32 pm
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I think this is an interesting idea. Of course, I worry about the dogs' safety, but I hope that the SPCA or Animal Control will be doing a lot of follow-up on these dogs to make sure they're being well-treated. A lot of homeless people have mental health problems, but these are people who are in city housing and yet aren't working as so many aren't able to work these days. Some of them may be incapable of working and some of them may be just victims of the economy. A friend and I were speaking a few weeks ago about people we know who are late 50s or older and at least half or two thirds are not working, most of them laid off and trying very hard to get at least a part-time job. All are middle class or formerly middle class.
Anyway, my point is that not all panhandlers are crazy people or drug addicts. And hopefully, the people who run this program are choosing people carefully and are doing a lot of follow-up. If so, it could be a lot better for these dogs to be in homes, even if they're tiny homes. And it will be a lot better for these people not to have to panhandle. And it will be a lot better for the city to have less panhandlers. The San Francisco animal community is very innovative and has an extremely high adoption rate. And I don't think PETA is in any position to object since they seem to so often advocate dogs and cats being killed rather than being companion animals. |
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| 293581 Joined: 08 May 2012 Total posts: 29 Gender: Unknown |
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:41 pm
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| job's mom wrote: | I think this is an interesting idea. Of course, I worry about the dogs' safety, but I hope that the SPCA or Animal Control will be doing a lot of follow-up on these dogs to make sure they're being well-treated. A lot of homeless people have mental health problems, but these are people who are in city housing and yet aren't working as so many aren't able to work these days. Some of them may be incapable of working and some of them may be just victims of the economy. A friend and I were speaking a few weeks ago about people we know who are late 50s or older and at least half or two thirds are not working, most of them laid off and trying very hard to get at least a part-time job. All are middle class or formerly middle class.
Anyway, my point is that not all panhandlers are crazy people or drug addicts. And hopefully, the people who run this program are choosing people carefully and are doing a lot of follow-up. If so, it could be a lot better for these dogs to be in homes, even if they're tiny homes. And it will be a lot better for these people not to have to panhandle. And it will be a lot better for the city to have less panhandlers. The San Francisco animal community is very innovative and has an extremely high adoption rate. And I don't think PETA is in any position to object since they seem to so often advocate dogs and cats being killed rather than being companion animals. |
I agree with you. It's sort of a version of the "pups on parole" thing. Even when homeless people are on the streets they tend to have really well behaved dogs. I say get as many as possible do this. It helps people and the dogs. Who knows? Maybe some will like it so much that they are motivated to start their own rescues. 
(One time I went and bought a $10 burger for a homeless guy's dog.  )
However...I would call San Fran "nuts" in most cases. |
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Taralupe
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Total posts: 63 Location: Right Behind You... Gender: Female |
Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:45 pm
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Where I live we had a problem with people adopting dogs (back when the adoption fees were $50-$75) and then selling them for a higher price than they paid. It's called "dog flipping."
On top of that the costs of fixing the animals is really high. I paid $145 to neuter my cat 2 days ago. When I adopted my dog in 2004 the cost to neuter him was $55, and he's 42 pounds. Add the cost of shots, de-worming, and medical exams and you are well over $400 for a medium to large dog. Our shelter here gives you one free vet exam (they dont cover any medication they may need or the rabies shot) redeemable at any vet in town within 10 days of adoption, though if you call and they are booked you get your first exam free no matter how long the wait is, and a bag of Science Diet to go home with your new dog. They do charge $25 for a city license that used to be free but that's a city council thing not and SPCA decision I think. They come micro-chipped as well.
And honestly if you can't afford to pay for the animal should you really be owning it? I don't have a lot of money and I bought a house 2 years ago so I'm paying for that with the majority of my income but I still make sure I have at least $200 for each animal I own in the bank in case of emergency. On top of the price for food, annual vaccination, de-worming, and any spay and neuter needed, fixing was only required for the cats. The 2 dogs are rescues. Carbon came fixed but Kye was adopted before when the shelter just let you adopt and took it on faith you would get them altered.
When I first read this post I did agree until I stopped and really thought about what comes with the animal you adopt. Often our Shelter does adopt-a-thons at the Petsmart and Petsmart will donate $200 to every dog adopted during the days of the event so when their new owners adopt they have money for spoiling their new family member. It's worth it to adopt for sure, if you are unhappy with a rescue there is always the local SPCA, who are usually pretty fair. I can see a lot of privately run shelters being more choosey about the dogs new homes because lets face it, society sees pets as expendable. Though views are starting to change the Law still sees animals as property. I applaud anyone that works at rescuing and saving lives, be it adopter or shelter staff, these people have to deal with great emotional stress.
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| hopers1 Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Total posts: 8661 Location: Colorado Age: 40 Gender: Female |
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:57 pm
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What exactly are "hopers1 people"? 
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