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| soccerdog |
 Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:27 pm
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| Quote: | | If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if........ |
Now you get it!! |
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| cgg |
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:30 pm
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| soccerdog wrote: | | Quote: | What you fail to recognize is that this legislation isn't about HER.
It's about the future reproductive rights of every woman in the entire state who seeks fertility treatment, for any reason. |
No. You apparently misread my post! I AM NOT FOR THIS LEGISLATION!! I agree with you! The government SHOULD NOT regulate how many children, conceived naturally or by IVF, a woman should be allowed to have -- IF she has the means to provide for them!! Specifically, I said:
| Quote: | | I think this is typical government over-reaction. One, arguably mentally unstable, woman and one very unethical doctor does not constitute a crisis that requires hastily enacted laws! |
If this becomes a trend or a widespread problem, I might think differently but I do not think there are going to be a lot women with 6 young children they are not caring for, who want to go to a fertility clinic to have 8 more!! This is a very bizarre situation and I think it's highly unlikely that it's going to be repeated. I sure don't think there is any need for legislators to panic and start enacting laws to prevent it from happening again.
As I clearly said, as long as a woman has the means to provide for all of her children's needs, it's nobody's business how many she has.
| Quote: | | And no, soccer's point was that the rich can do anything they want and those who aren't as well off shouldn't be allowed to. It's a point of view that's absolutely pervasive throughout past postings as well. |
That wasn't my point at all! My point was that this is bad legislation because it prohibits anybody from having more than x babies by IVF even if they can afford to properly care for them.
I have NEVER said "the rich can do anything they want and those who aren't as well off shouldn't be allowed to". I have said, and I strongly believe, that ANYBODY should be allowed to do ANYTHING (legal) that they want to do if they can afford it. If you have the money to afford to care for 14 children, go for it -- have 14 children. Even 8 at one time if you want to! If you have the money to buy a 20,000 SF house, go for it. If you have to money to wear $3,000 dresses, go for it. If you have the money to buy a $2M yacht, go for it! But, if you DON'T have the money to afford those things, you don't have a "right" to have them, especially at taxpayer expense! |
And so ... what? If you DON'T have that kind of money ... what? We take away your uterus? How much money justifies your right to reproduce, to not have someone else decide how many children you can have, to not have your children taken away, because you seek government assistance to feed them? And if they are taken away, it's to ... what? The foster system, because it's doing so well? That sounds like a plan.
I totally agree Octomom does not sound like she exhibits good judgment. IMO, that does NOT mean we start legislating the number of children one might have by the financial ability to provide for them. |
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MidnightsDance Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Total posts: 777 |
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:51 pm
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| soccerdog wrote: | | Quote: | | If, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if........ |
Now you get it!! |
Oh yeah, I get it alright. I get that you'll apply all your well thought out if's so that the world will be populated by the have's rather than the have not's.
And before you start back pedaling on that one and saying that's not what you said, shall we discuss what kind of licensing infrastructure will apply the if's for the reproducing heterosexuals of the world?
Shall fertile men and women be forced to use birth control measures administered by properly trained government employees until they fill out an application and meet all the if's required to have children? And when that birth control measure includes vasectomies for all the men, will you object because it doesn't meet your idea of an appropriate if and violates what they choose to do their bodies.....?
Yeah. I definitely get it. |
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